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The First Law - Joe Abercrombie

Postod Dragon Reborn u Ned Dec 28, 2008 1:03 am

Relativno nova triologija koju mogu da opišem samo kao Dark Fantasy. Sastoji se od knjiga The Blade Itself, Before They Are Hanged i Last Argument of Kings.

Da li neko zna o čemu govorim ili je potrebno da rezimiram serijal i ubacim preporuku od sveg srca, pogotovo ljubiteljima Martina? :)
I bought a house, it's a 2-bedroom house. But I think it's up to me how many bedrooms there are, don't you? Fuck you real estate lady, this bedroom has an oven in it! This bedroom has a lot of people sitting around watching TV. This bedroom's over in that guy's house.
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Postod Perin u Ned Dec 28, 2008 11:43 pm

Ja sam skinuo tu trilogiju, ceka svoj red. Od svih knjiga koje sam skinuo, bas tu trilogiju mi je kolega sa foruma preporucio da procitam poslednju, koja je najlosija. Al' ne mogu dati svoj sud, jer je nisam procitao. Stavi neki sinopsis price, ako ti se da.
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Postod Dragon Reborn u Pon Dec 29, 2008 8:05 pm

Heh, stvar ukusa pretpostavljam. Ja sam se prijatno iznenadio čitajući ga. Zanima me koji tip knjiga kolega voli. :)

Glavni POV likovi su berserker, mučitelj i kicoš. Naoko, činilo bi se da zalazi duboko u teritoriju klišea, ali to definitivno nije slučaj. Linija između dobra i zla je mutna u ovoj triologiji, moglo bi se reći da je ceo serijal smešten u tom mutnom predelu.

Glokta, koji je nekada bio zvezda kraljevstva, hrabar, poletan, šampion mačevalac i bezsramni ženskaroš, igrom slučaja biva zarobljen i mučen. Mnogo. Kada je konačno oslobođen on je uništen čovek. O svojoj vojnoj karijeri i danima zavođenja može samo da sanja. I tako uzima zanat koji zna najbolje, povređuje ljude. Prisiljava priznanja i uništava živote. I on to voli, tu nema poricanja.

Severnjak Logen, poznatiji kao the Bloody-Nine, je jedan od najnemilosrdnijih ubica u svetu, ceo sever poznaje to zlo ime, ali se on uvek preispituje i pokušava da se promeni.

Kicoš, Jezal dan Luthar, počinje kao skoro potpuno antipatični egoista, ali što više odgovornosti dobija, to se oseća nemoćnije, i čitaoc može da saoseća s njim.

Sve u svemu, serijal ima savršen tempo, brutalan je, komičan kada je to potrebno i zna da iznenadi i zapanji čitaoca. Otprilike sve što ja tražim u knjigama. :D
I bought a house, it's a 2-bedroom house. But I think it's up to me how many bedrooms there are, don't you? Fuck you real estate lady, this bedroom has an oven in it! This bedroom has a lot of people sitting around watching TV. This bedroom's over in that guy's house.
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Postod nightflier u Uto Dec 30, 2008 10:53 am

Ja sam taj koji mu zamera to sto mu zameram, a na mom blogu mozes da vidis sta mu zameram.
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Postod Dragon Reborn u Pon Jan 05, 2009 9:22 pm

I bought a house, it's a 2-bedroom house. But I think it's up to me how many bedrooms there are, don't you? Fuck you real estate lady, this bedroom has an oven in it! This bedroom has a lot of people sitting around watching TV. This bedroom's over in that guy's house.
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Postod nightflier u Uto Jan 06, 2009 8:50 am

Tu gde ti vidiš originalnost, ja vidim (pomalo) vešto prikrivene klišee. Aberkrombi je pisac B kategorije, sa pretenzijama da postane međaš fantastike. Ako pažljivo iščitaš moj komentar, kao i ono što sam na blogu napisao o Skotu Linču, videćeš da ja nigde ne tvrdim da je reč o lošim piscima, već da ni u kom slučaju nije reč o tako dobrim piscima kakvim se predstavljaju i kakvim ih veliki izdavači prave. Aberkrombi, pa i Linč, nema smelosti da se okuša sa nečim originalnim - kao što je to Senderson učinio - već se upušta u novo prepričavanje romana-potrage, dosetivši se da na kraju svi naprasno ispadnu ljigavci. On ne piše o izvanrednosti ljudskog karaktera, pa makar se ona ogledala u iskvarenosti i zlobi, već o prosečnosti - ali ne namerno. Jednostavno nije uspeo da zanatski izvede ono što je naumio. Svi njegovi likovi su kopije nečijih drugih, od Edingsovog Belgarata pa do Martinovog Tiriona. Samo ih je malo zamaskirao. Aberkrombi je, ukratko, jeftin zabavljač koji misli da je nekakava žanrovska veličina. Da se razumemo, ja jako volim da čitam jeftine zabavljače. Uzmimo kao primer Bučera i Grina. Moja muka sa Aberkrombijem je u tome što on pokušava da sebe proda kao nešto što nije. Uostalom, uporedi samo beskrajnu originalnost Eriksonovog "Malazana" sa Aberkrombijevim pisanijima, pa će ti sve biti jasno. Da zaključim, svaku knjigu treba pročitati, pa i Aberkrombijeve romane. Nisu oni toliko loši - samo nisu ni toliko dobri. Kao što rekoh, jeftina zabava.
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Dread Lord, Father of Victories, Storm rider, Wild Huntsman, aid us now. Dark Goddess, Morrigú of the Crows, Red Hag of Battles, to You I dedicate the harvest of the unplowed field of war, and the blood to be spilled this day on Your earth. Be You both with Your children; and if this is my hour, then know I go most willingly to You.
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Postod Dragon Reborn u Čet Jan 08, 2009 3:24 pm

Heh, očigledno si načitaniji i bolje se razumeš u materiju od mene, stoga ne mogu da se nosim s tobom u ovoj diskusiji. Knjige su mi prijale, toliko mogu da kažem.
I bought a house, it's a 2-bedroom house. But I think it's up to me how many bedrooms there are, don't you? Fuck you real estate lady, this bedroom has an oven in it! This bedroom has a lot of people sitting around watching TV. This bedroom's over in that guy's house.
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Postod nightflier u Čet Jan 08, 2009 6:55 pm

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Dread Lord, Father of Victories, Storm rider, Wild Huntsman, aid us now. Dark Goddess, Morrigú of the Crows, Red Hag of Battles, to You I dedicate the harvest of the unplowed field of war, and the blood to be spilled this day on Your earth. Be You both with Your children; and if this is my hour, then know I go most willingly to You.
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Postod Dragon Reborn u Pon Jan 12, 2009 3:25 pm

Troo.

Pročavrljaću malo po blogu & temi uskoro, kad završim i ovu Farseer triologiju.
I bought a house, it's a 2-bedroom house. But I think it's up to me how many bedrooms there are, don't you? Fuck you real estate lady, this bedroom has an oven in it! This bedroom has a lot of people sitting around watching TV. This bedroom's over in that guy's house.
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Postod PadanFain u Pet Mar 06, 2009 5:45 pm

Za Dragon Reborn: pročitao sam prvu knjigu (The Blade Itself), nije mi se nešto pretjerano svidjela. Najzanimljiviji dio mi je u House of the Maker, kada se napokon počene malo pokazivati povijest svijeta. Zanima me da li se nastavci poboljšavaju te da li se više bave povijesti svijeta, magijom, demonima, avanturom i nadnaravnim ili možda nastavljaju u maniri prve knjige?
The Golden Crane flies for Tarmon Gai'don!
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Postod nightflier u Pet Mar 06, 2009 8:59 pm

Honor break me! Čita li neko ovde moj blog? Sve tri knjige su manje-više pisane u istom maniru, Padane.
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Dread Lord, Father of Victories, Storm rider, Wild Huntsman, aid us now. Dark Goddess, Morrigú of the Crows, Red Hag of Battles, to You I dedicate the harvest of the unplowed field of war, and the blood to be spilled this day on Your earth. Be You both with Your children; and if this is my hour, then know I go most willingly to You.
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Postod PadanFain u Pet Mar 06, 2009 9:38 pm

Izgleda, biti će tvog blog čitan i od mene.

Primjetio sam da se zasad relativno slažemo, bar što se tiče Abercrombie-a i Lyncha, što znači da ću se potruditi pročitati ono što na blogu jako preporučiš.

p.s. nightflieru, što misliš o Dark Tower knjigama?
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Postod nightflier u Pet Mar 06, 2009 10:05 pm

Ne isplati se čitati nakon pete. Ali kad već pročitaš pet...
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Dread Lord, Father of Victories, Storm rider, Wild Huntsman, aid us now. Dark Goddess, Morrigú of the Crows, Red Hag of Battles, to You I dedicate the harvest of the unplowed field of war, and the blood to be spilled this day on Your earth. Be You both with Your children; and if this is my hour, then know I go most willingly to You.
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Postod PadanFain u Pet Mar 06, 2009 10:18 pm

Znači tipično King, dobro počne a loše završi.
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Postod mnb u Pet Mar 06, 2009 11:31 pm

Ne vidim potrebu za tolikim reklamiranjem ni Znaka Sagite, niti licnih sajtova. Postoji linija kada to vec postaje napadno i neukusno. Momak je pitao za misljanje, mogao si mu lepo odgovoriti - govnoooo jeee - ili izignorisati. Stice se utisak da ti je potreban odredjen broj klikova na link do bloga. No kada niko nije kliknuo onda si se udostojio odgovoriti. Ne razumem Jel' tako zaradjues neki novac? Srecom pa meni ne radi, te se nisam niti trudio da otvorim. A i onako sam cuo da je neki bilmez na nekom od domacih blogova popljuvao OTO ILITI NA ZUREZI S MRTVIJOM RAJOM zato sto su zombiji pederi ( ne shvatajuci metaforu ), pa i da mogu ne bih iciji blog otvarao - mislim znam da niste ni ti ni PERIN, jer a) znate sta je metafora i b) ne bi pogledali takav film ni da vam zivot od toga zavisi ( cenim principijelnost ). Ali stvarno, smanji sa tim "moje miljenje mozete pogledati ovde, ako kliknete tri puta na bljestece zeleni link i osvojicete jos i vizu za SAD" fazonima, nije u redu. Da pokazem kako sam dobre nemere, necu se upustati u objasnjavanje besmislenosti iznesene konstantacije o tome sta je tipicno za Kingov romaneskni opus ( narocito posto je ista osoba ocenila Vilijamsa kako kvalitetnog - iskasljavam se ) vec cu samo uputiti kolegu da vise cita Kinga, e da bi otkrio sta je u stvari tipicno za njega. I da vise cita Keja i Bejkera, tu nije omsio sta je kvalitet.
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Luk ( Van Hansis ): To sto smo imali, bilo je tako kratko ali i tako dobro i nikada necu to zaboraviti...Ali ako ostanes sa mnom sva ce vrata biti zatvorena. A ako i budu otvorena, moja kolica nece moci da prodju kroz njih...

Noa ( Dzejk Silberman ): Da probam da ti objasnim u terminima koje ces razumeti: Snajder... you're full of it.
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