jedna ozbiljna tema o jeziku

[Nimrodel]

[deedee]

[Urganda la Desconocida]

[Nimrodel]

Ć jeste afrikata, to jest sliveni glas od t i j (zato se i ubraja u palatale imamo u njegovom sastavu ovo j), ali pošto pisanje u ovakvom tipu komunikacije više igra na kartu vizuelnog, nego na kartu audio prepoznavanja, mislim da je najbolje tu koristiti grafemu c... mislim da se ljudi sasvim fino snalaze sa takvim tipom pisanja... jer ni ch za č nije pravilno. Madjari recimo č pišu kao cs (s tim da se ovo s čita kao naše š) što je fonetski bliže fonemi č nego varijanta ch.
No, ne znam šta je problem kod rashladnog? Čita se kao rashladni... niko ne kaže rašladni uređaji. Možda nisam dobro razumela na šta misliš.

Evo još jedne lepe stvari za one koje interesuje jezik. Vrlo često se u tekstovima ef-a srećete sa diftonzima i vrlo često ljudi ne znaju kako se oni čitaju (recimo Aelfin, Eirik, Ainar), evo vam finog teksta o čitanju diftonga, s tim da se oni na naš jezik prenose po sledećem principu – ei > ej, ai > aj:

(Tekst je preuzet sa sajta: http://www.answers.com/topic/diphthong
diphthong
In phonetics, a diphthong (Greek δίφθογγος) is a vowel combination usually involving a quick but smooth movement from one vowel to another, often interpreted by listeners as a single vowel sound or phoneme. While "pure" vowels, or monophthongs, are said to have one target tongue position, diphthongs have a moving tongue. Pure vowels are represented in the International Phonetic Alphabet by one symbol: English "seem" as [ sim], for example. Diphthongs are represented by two symbols, for example English "same" as [ seɪm], where the two vowel symbols are intended to represent approximately the beginning and ending tongue positions.
Falling diphthongs are stressed on the first element; rising diphthongs on the second. In Closing diphthongs, the second element is closer than the first; in opening diphthongs, more opened. Some languages contrast short and long diphthongs.
The unstressed elements of the diphthongs may be transcribed as semivowels. However, when the whole diphthong is analysed as being one single phoneme, both elements are often transcribed as vowels.
Diphthongs in English:
• [aʊ] as in house
• [aɪ] as in kite
• [eɪ] as in same
• [juː] as in few (This is phonemically analyzed as a sequence of a semivowel and a monophthong.)
• [oʊ] as in hope
• [oɪ] as in join
(see International Phonetic Alphabet for English for more)
Diphthongs in British English (RP):
• [əʊ] as in hope
• [aʊ] as in house
• [aɪ] as in kite
• [eɪ] as in same
• [juː] as in few (This is phonemically analyzed as a sequence of a semivowel and a monophthong.)
• [oɪ] as in join
• [ɪə] as in fear
• [ɛə] as in hair
• [ʊə] as in poor
• [ɔə] as in more
The latter four diphthongs also occur in Boston English.
Diphthongs in Spanish:
• [ja] as in comedia
• [je] as in tierra
• [jo] as in dio
• [ju] as in ciudad
• [wa] as in guante
• [we] as in fuego
• [wi] as in pingüino
• [wo] as in ambiguo
• [aj] as in hay
• [ej] as in rey
• [oj] as in hoy
• [uj] as in muy
• [aw] as in Jauja
• [ew] as in feudo
Some Diphthongs in French:
• [wa] as in roi
• [wi] as in oui
• [ɥi] as in huit
• [jɛ̃] as in bien
• [jɛ] as in Ariège
Diphthongs in German:
• [aɪ] as in Reich
• [aʊ] as in Maus
• [ɔʏ] as in neu
Some Diphthongs in Bernese German (a Swiss German dialect):
• [iə] as in Bier 'beer'
• [yə] as in Füess 'feet'
• [uə] as in Schue 'shoes'
• [ow] as in Stou 'holdup'
• [aw] as in Stau 'stable'
• [aːw] as in Staau 'steel'
• [æw] as in Wäut 'world'
• [æːw] as in wääut 'elects'
• [ʊw] as in tschúud 'guilty'
In Italian a vowel combination can be a dittongo (en. diphthong) or a iato (en. hiatus).
• paùra, faìna are not diphthongs.
• zaino, fuori, Europa are diphthongs.
• fuoco, fiume are rising diphthongs.
• faida, feudo are falling diphthongs.

[lightmath]

[Xerxes]

Pa lightmathe, ova tvoja zadnja rečenica govori upravo ono što sam i ja pokušavao da kažem: svako misli da zna, a pravi, pismeni ljudi su marginalizirani. I to neizbježno mora dovesti do degradacije pismenosti kod svih naroda bivše Yuge.
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A marginalizirani... a degradacije...

[Urganda la Desconocida]

Mislila sam samo da ako se piše sh umesto š u nekim slučajevima može doći do zabune, to je sve... Ljudi se zbunjuju... Kao onaj dečko koji se uporno pitao šta znači natpis koji je viđao svaki dan na putu do škole:
ВОСКАР

[Dacko]

Veoma zanimljiv članak Tvrtka Prćića o pseudonormama koje polako istiskuju prave jezičke norme postoji u časopisu Jezik danas u izdanju Matice srpske, broj 17. Može da se skine sa sajta Matice srpske u pdf formatu (danas 17) sa adrese:
http://www.maticasrpska.org.yu/download/index.htm
Poshto je Pravopis Matice srpske skup, a paralelno se koristi i par drugih izdanja koja se medjusobno ne slažu po svim pitanjima, ovo je najjevtiniji način da proverite kako se šta ispravno piše. posebno što se u članku opširno govori o pozajmljenicama iz engleskog i nekim kompjuterskim terminima, a tu skoro svi na ovom forumu grešimo.

[sinfe]

[High Duke]

[alcesta]

Takođe i "Srpski jezički priručnik" (Brborić/Ivić/Klajn/Pešikan), i još dosta drugih sličnih, mislim da Nimrodel ima najpotpuniji spisak.
Što se tiče prosvetiteljstva, nisam toliko ambiciozna ali sigurna sam da će nam svima biti drago da odgovorimo na takva pitanja, pošto je u današnje vreme velika stvar kad to uopšte nekog interesuje.
Ne vidim zašto se pitanja ne bi postavljala i na ovoj temi, kao što je sunshine uradila.

[sinfe]

[sunshine]

[alcesta]

[Urtel]