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LOTR i WWII

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 Re: LOTR i WWII

Postod Eladan u Sre Jul 25, 2012 8:02 pm

...To stand against the Shadow so long as iron is hard and stone abides. To defend the weak while one drop of blood remains. To avenge what cannot be defended...
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Postod de Hammo u Pet Avg 03, 2012 1:19 am

"I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence."
Nemam pojma koliko puta smo do sada postavljali ovu recenicu koju je zapisao Tolkien. Uticaji se zasigurno nisu mogli izbeci, ali su to pre bili uticaji Velikog rata. Mislim da je svako povlacenje paralela izmedju dogadjaja iz WWII i LOTR teska spekulacija i vunovlacarenje, podjednako isprazno kao i prozivanje za rasizam ili kojekakvi napadi marksista, lenjinista, kapitalista, feministkinja i kojekakvih ostalih grupa zgubidana i vagabunda.
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Postod alcesta u Sub Avg 04, 2012 7:26 pm

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Postod de Hammo u Ned Avg 05, 2012 12:49 am

Oblique strategy number 56: Balance the consistency principle with the inconsistency principle.
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Postod S u Sub Avg 11, 2012 3:23 pm

Postoji ono kod pisaca - "every one has an agenda". Ne mora to biti njihova motivacija za pisanja, niti velika zelja da se ta agenda izrazi i prenese na sve nas, ali ona postoji. Pisac koji pise bilo sta, a pogotovo neko veliko djelo, ulaze cijelog sebe u to, a preko sebe i svoju okolinu, svoje vrijeme, svoje mjesto. Zato covjek koji je mozda najvazniji dio svog zivota prozivio od pocetka prvog, do kraja drugog svjetskog rata, mora unijeti dosta tih pogleda u svoja djela.
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Postod Draugdur u Pon Avg 13, 2012 2:30 pm

Možda, podsvjesno, čak i ako nema namjere, ali ja sam opet skloniji da se držim Tolkinovih riječi u uvodu nego kojekakvih analiza, pošto, sve i da pretpostavimo da i Tolkin "had an agenda", vjerovatno niko osim njega ne može reći šta je imao na umu (a možda ni on,pošto, je 'l, podsvjesno).

U tom smislu, slažem se potpuno sa de Hammovim postom (i uzgred koristim priliku da sa debelim zakašnjenjem poželim dobrodošlicu natrag na forum :da: ) :da:
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and crying in shame, off a cliff he ran.
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 Re: LOTR i WWII

Postod Orry Main u Sre Avg 15, 2012 7:09 am

Mislim da je ovdje najjasnija stvar da ljudi koji smisljaju takve nebuloze smisljeno i planski hoce da srozaju Tolkina i njegov knjizevni rad, zato sto se je li ne uklapa u njihovu viziju knjizevnosti i pogleda na istu.
Pa mrtvom covjeku konstantno govoriti da laze mogu samo osobe bez srama i moralnih vrijednosti....a najjace od svega toga sto propagiraju iste stvari na puna usta.
Meni su dovoljne rijeci autora. Mislim, jasno se izjasnio o ovom pitanju i nemam razloga da mu ne vjerujem.
Paralele koje podvlace jasno nam pokazuju da oni ne umiju da zamisle bilo sta stvoreno perom a da se ne reflektuje na desavanja u svijetu.
What's it saying, my precious, my love?
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Postod de Hammo u Sre Avg 15, 2012 1:39 pm

Jasno je da pisac ne moze da u potpunosti izbegne uticaj okoline na svoje delo, ali mi se nekako cini da je normalnije da veci uticaj na delo bilo kog pisca imaju dogadjaji u kojima je i sam bio akter, kao Tolkien u Velikom ratu. Ne zaboravimo da Tolkien pre svega ima veliku zelju i nameru da Engleskoj podari nedostajuci segment mitologije, kao sto postoje Kalevala, Nibelungenlied, pa cak i donekle arutijanske price i legende, drzeci se forme i pravila mitoloske konstrukcije. Na pocetku WWII on je vec idejo duboko u svom svetu, forma postoji, razrajuje sve ono sto cini jedan imaginarium i mitoloski univerzum. Na kraju krajeva, njegovo delo, koliko je znacajno po kompleksnosti i velicini zahvata, bitno je i po tome sto ovde imamo dosta sacuvanog materijala o tome kako je prica rasla, tako da stvarno, uz malo truda mozemo da sagledamo donekle taj kreativni proces i razlucimo ulogu realnog sveta u kreiranju imaginarnog.
Veoma lako je 'post mortem' kombinovati ideje i uklapati ih u necije delo po nahodjenju i dnevno-politickoj potrebi.
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Postod alcesta u Uto Avg 21, 2012 11:13 pm

What if you slept? And what if, in your sleep, you dreamed? And what if, in your dream, you went to heaven and there plucked a strange and beautiful flower? And what if, when you awoke, you had the flower in your hand? Ah, what then?
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Postod Draugdur u Čet Avg 23, 2012 1:04 pm

Here lies Firedorn, a hero in bed.
He once was alive, but now he's dead.
The last woman he bedded, turned out a man
and crying in shame, off a cliff he ran.
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