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A Dance With Dragons (HERE BE SPOILERS, BEWARE!)

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 Re: A Dance With Dragons (HERE BE SPOILERS, BEWARE!)

Postod High Duke u Čet Jul 07, 2011 11:30 pm

Citam ja neki spoiler free prikaz knjige i naravno, naletim na indirektni spojler Ostalo mi jos da procitam Gozbu do utorka. Prokleti ispit, morao sam da citam za njega!
Let your blows fall because faith is my shield and valor is my sword

A knight is sworn to valour
His hearth know only virtue
His blade defends the helpless
His might upholds the weak
His words speak only truth
His wrath undoes the wicked
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Postod Margiloth u Pet Jul 08, 2011 10:47 pm

"Will fate seduce you to her will?
Not if you struggle with all your Skill.
Summon your allies, locate the trained,
Consummate all from what you’ve refrained.
There’s a future not yet fashioned,
Founded by your fiery passions!"
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Postod Nemini u Sub Jul 09, 2011 10:15 am

severe and puritanical
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Postod Daemon Blackfyre u Sub Jul 09, 2011 10:37 am

aha. evo ja jedva nekako dogurao do 400. strane :D kad se zumira moze...gadim se samom sebi. ne znam koj sam kurac narucivao knjigu, ionako je to hc izdanje preglomazno za moje police (a i nema mesta pored odabranih dela mirjane bobic mojsilovic i marijane mateus)
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Postod Margiloth u Sub Jul 09, 2011 11:57 am

"Will fate seduce you to her will?
Not if you struggle with all your Skill.
Summon your allies, locate the trained,
Consummate all from what you’ve refrained.
There’s a future not yet fashioned,
Founded by your fiery passions!"
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Postod Musashi u Sub Jul 09, 2011 11:59 am

Zivot ima onaj smisao koji mu mi damo.
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Postod Pauleta u Sub Jul 09, 2011 1:23 pm

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Postod Aducabar u Sub Jul 09, 2011 9:02 pm


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Postod Musashi u Uto Jul 12, 2011 6:41 am

Zivot ima onaj smisao koji mu mi damo.
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Postod gnostik u Uto Jul 12, 2011 8:45 am

Whenever in a line of thought there is just a slight opening towards a tasteless obscenity - I will take that road!
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Postod Aducabar u Uto Jul 12, 2011 8:59 pm

Pročitao. Ovo je lošije od AFfC, na sreću ne puno, ali posle ovoliko čekanja ipak je to veliko razočaranje. Priča je popustila pred likovima, geografijom i istorijom na svim frontovima. Za pisca koji je hvaljen pre svega zbog pripovedačkog talenta, i koji je na primer prozivao Lost, Ser Lemonkejk je prilično zastranio. Detaljnija analiza uskoro, kad se utisci slegnu.

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Postod Aducabar u Sre Jul 13, 2011 8:56 am

Evo moje analize razbijene po PoVima:

Prolog: Varamir ovaj put, dobijamo malu lekciju o wargovanju, lep uvod za Brenova poglavlja. I naravno smrt na kraju, lep uvod za Džonov kraj.

Tirion: Jedan od razočaravajućih PoVa. Jeste da ima velikog uticaja na ljude oko sebe - napalio je Egona, razboleo Koningtona, Džoru vratio u igru, Viktarionu doveo crvenog sveštenika i na kraju vratio Druge Sinove na pravi put. Ali njegova priča je više turistički vodič dok baulja Esosom, umesto zaokruženog arca.

Deneris: Još jedno razočarenje, njena priča je delom mirinska igra prestola, delom vlažni snovi o Dariju, nijedno nije nešto zanimljivo. Tek na kraju se našla u poziciji da mrdne radnju napred... u sledećoj knjizi, za jedno 5 godina.

Džon: Verovatno najbolje napisan poV u ovoj knjizi, kompletan story arc, rise and fall of Lord Commander. Uspešan brak sa divljanima, uspešne pripreme za zimu, flertovanje sa igrom prestola, i momentalna kazna čim ju je ozbiljno zaigrao. Jedino me nervira što nemamo razrešenje na kraju, klifhengeri od deset leta nisu nimalo zanimljivi.

Bren: Samo par poglavlja, upoznajemo Bladrejvena i decu šume, i onda ga zaboravljamo. Ovde fali malo duža priča, neki self contained arc.

Kventin: Bespotreban PoV čija je jedina svrha da oslobodi zmajeve na kraju, što je mogao bilo ko da uradi. Potpuni promašaj.

Davos: Još jedan redukovan PoV, prekinut taman kad je postao zanimljiv. Ne znam zašto Ser Nippletwister nije nastavio da piše o njegovom putu na Skagos, zanimljivije bi bilo od većine ostalih priča. Ali sad moramo da čekamo 15 godina.

Teon: Relativno zanimljiva priča o transformaciji iz Smrde u Teona, uspeo je čak i da utiče na big picture na kraju. A i da nije njega ne bismo prisustvovali nekim od najboljih momenata knjige, Rat Cook Manderly i Amberi koji troluju Boltonovu ekipu sa bubnjevima.

Konington: Još jedan bespotreban PoV, upoznajemo Zlatnu družinu, i to je otprilike to. Lame.

Aša: Opet bespotreban PoV, služi samo da nam bude oko tokom Stanisove kamoanje na Severu, samo što jedini zanimljiv deo, klimakterični šoudaun sa Boltonima ne vidimo, već o njemu čujemo iz pisma. I sve zarad još jednog lejm klifhengera, da u narednih dvadeset godina nagađamo šta je Remzi slagao, a šta ne.

Melisandra: Pristojan one shot PoV, demistifikacija lika i hintovi o Džonovoj ulozi u R'Lorovom grand planu. Ali ni ovo nije bilo neophodno.

Areo: Dopuna dornjanske priče iz AFfC, najava Zmijica u akciji. Ali samo najava. I Kventin je tako bio najavljen u prošloj knjizi, so prepare to be underwhelmed in 25 years or so.

Arja: Još treninga, demistifikacija Bezličnih, ali radnja i dalje nikuda ne mrda.

Džejmi: Opet one shot, razrešenje njegove i Brijenine priče iz AFfC, gde je ovom poglavlju i mesto.

Sersei: Fallout njenog arca iz prethodne knjige, ali ništa previše bitno.

Viktarion: Još jedan nebitan PoV, cela priča je njegovo pozicioniranje za narednu knjigu.

Epilog: Ovo služi čisto da sumira stanje u centralnom delu Vesterosa, a Kevanova i Pajselova smrt da najave vesela dešavanja u narednoj knjizi, koja stiže za 30 ljeta.

Suma sumarum, ovo je samo jedan preterano verbozan setap za Vetrove Zime, kao i AFfC. Samo što ovde imamo još manje zaokruženih priča i još više bespotrebnih PoVa, pa je meni ovo najlošija knjiga do sada. Mada sad kad su sve figurice pozicionirane očekujem spektakularan nastavak tamo negde 2050. Ali ono što je važilo nakon AFfC, važi i sada - čak i ovako kenjkav Ser Fat Pink Mast je za tri koplja ispred ostale fantasy buranije.

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Postod Margiloth u Sre Jul 13, 2011 9:33 am

Ne smem da procitam ovaj tvoj post, Adu... Sajk! Jesam :( Hvala sto nisi mnogo spojlerisao.

Ali: buduci da nemam samokontrolu i da sam vazda slaba na muske likove u stanju poluraspadanja (!), sedela sam do 4am i procitala sva Teonova poglavlja. Fucking redemption Jaime-style. Dakle, neoriginalan koncept, ali mi se dopalo, dosta dijaloga i akcije, i Teon koji je konacno postao covek (plativsi jezivu cenu - kriticar Times-a je napisao da je Ramsey novi Martinov uber-monstrum, buduci da su Planina&co. uglavnom RIP). Svi oni koji se ne secaju Jeyne Poole i/ili misle da je nebitna, mogu da mi izedu gace.

Najvise mi se u celoj prici ipak dopala demistifikacija Tjah.
"Will fate seduce you to her will?
Not if you struggle with all your Skill.
Summon your allies, locate the trained,
Consummate all from what you’ve refrained.
There’s a future not yet fashioned,
Founded by your fiery passions!"
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Postod Aducabar u Sre Jul 13, 2011 10:09 am

A ja baš ne vidim poentu produbljivanja sapunice koja je prethodila ratu. Brendon, Edard i ova severnjakinja, Selmi i Ašara, čemu to u ovoj fazi sage? Hoću da priča ide napred. I kad spomenu Lijenu, ispada da je ipak ona bila mystery knight iz priče Ridovih, jedna od mnogih lejm teorija koje su (polu)potvrđene u ovoj knjizi. Što me navodi na pomisao da Ser Wild Card neće biti preterano kreativan ni kad je Džonovo poreklo u pitanju, i da ćemo dobiti star-crossed lovers bullcrap.

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