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/includes/functions.php:3765) www.tolkien.rs • Pogledaj temu - Da li je Ned (bio) dobar vojskovođa?
@drakus izvini, ali ko bi pa mogao sam da pobedi u tom ratu? jel ti nas trolujes svojim postovima, il sta? vishe puta je napomenuto kako je ned imao kljucnu ulogu pored roberta jer je vise puta bio glas razuma i ona strana u tom tandemu koja je hladnokrvna i ne zalece se u svaku bitku.
Jeste da nisam upitan direktno, ali bre Drakuse zar ti ne razlikujes talenat za diplomatiju, spletke, politiku od talenta za vodjenje vojske? Dobar vojskovodja moze da bude ocajan diplomata i obrnuto. Pogledaj Roba samo... On nije izgubio ni jednu bitku, Martin je to potencirao jedno sto puta u knjigama ali je sve jedno uspeo da izgubi rat pa je opet jedan od najboljih vojskovodja i stratega u serijalu. Jednostavno treba da se poklope 100 okolnosti da bi se dobio rat i jedno 60 % njih nemaju veze sa bojnim poljem. I bas zbog toga Ned koji je postenjacina ima veoma malo sanse da dobije rat narocito ako je na polozaju koji ne zahteva ono u cemu je najbolji a to je vojna vestina nego ono u cemu je najgori a to su spletke najrazlicitijih vrsta. I uostalom rat u kome je on bio jedan od zapovednika je dobijen u velikom stilu i to njegovom zaslugom u velikoj meri, dok je on sam poginuo u miru daleko od bilo kakve vojske i prilike da se bori izgubivsi rat u spletkarenju i pokvarenjastvu ne u vojnoj strategiji i taktickom nadmudrivanju.
P.S. ako ne razumeš povratnu korist haške konvencije teško da možeš da skapiraš prednosti Nedovog, "časnog" pristupa ratovanju u odnosu na taj koji ti smatraš uspešnim, a koji se može nazvati beskrupuloznim - što je u našem crvljivom društvu nažalost i dalje mnogima sinonim za uspešnost.
dkdnt, ko je spominjao ratna lukavstva? Ja pričam o tome da Edard ne bi mogao da dozvoli ništa što ne smatra časnim, a tu je previše širok spektar. Npr, nikada ne bi naredio da se brodovi u Kraljevoj luci poliju alhemičarskom vatrom i spale zajedno sa svima koji su na njima. Što se tiče mojih duševnih nevolja, čovek sam, imam ih. Mada, ne razlikuješ se puno od mene. I kod tebe se da zapaziti pokoja.
Ja shvatam značaj zakona koji uređuju šta je, a šta nije ratni zločin. Isto tako znam da su ti zakoni potpuno nebitni kada je u pitanju pobeda ili gubitak u ratu. Ili je po tebi možda bombardovanje Hirošime i Nagasakija ratno lukavstvo, ne genocid i masovno ubistvo, i ne potpada pod istu tu konvenciju? Kada već o tome, navedi mi jedan rat, u poslednjih 100 godina u kome ni jedna ni druga strana nisu prekršile Ženenvske i Haške konvencije, ili mi navedi jedan gde bar jedna strana to nije uradila?
"Možemo biti samo ono što smo, niti manje niti više."
Nisi shvatio poentu onoga što sam napisao. A čast U RATU nema veze sa čašću U BICI.
U izboru, pobedim tako što spalim čitavu državu, ili izgubim zato što neću da umre niko nevin, pogodi šta bih birao? A isto to bi odabrao i taj čika sa tvog avatara. Ne promiče meni ništa. Samo prioritetizujem. Čast nema prednost nad nekim druim stvarima.
"Možemo biti samo ono što smo, niti manje niti više."
Čast je čast i u ratu i u bici, i skupo košta one koji je se drže. To je, po meni, cela poenta i krajnja pouka Edardovog lika. Ili ubijamo žene i decu, ili ne. Sve ostalo su izgovori.