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Da li postoji dobro bez zla?

Postod Duffman u Pon Maj 02, 2005 6:29 pm

(Pitanje je valjda filozofsko :? )
Da li moze postojati dobro bez zlog? Odnosno, da li postoje apsolutni ideali dobrog i zla?
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Postod Aleksandra u Pon Maj 02, 2005 9:07 pm

Scio me nihil scire!
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Postod Northwind u Pon Maj 02, 2005 11:44 pm

Čini mise da se već pisao ovome na jednoj diskusiji, pre jedno godinu dana, ali se stvarno ne sećam koja je tro bila.

Ja doro smatram za totalno subjektivni pojam. To znači da ne postoji objektivno dobro, već dobro za neku svrhu (ono koje koristi da se nešto ostvari). Otvarač za flaše je DOBRO sredstvo za otvaranjr flaša. Neko je dobar čovek, jer ti neće zaiti nož u leđa, ili će ti pružiti emotivnu podršku ili pomoći (tebi ili drugome), kada određujemo dobro, uvek uzimamo u obzir tu dinamičku dimenziju, ali ako nema svrhe, kontradiktorno je govoriti o dobrom. Zlo je samo negacija dobrog.
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My guide the morning star
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Take a sister by her hand
Lead her far from this barren land
Horror grips us as we watch you die
All we can do is echo your anguished cry and
Stare as all you human feelings die
We are leaving
You don't need us

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Postod Duffman u Uto Maj 03, 2005 11:07 am

Da, ali ipak ti ako ubijes ili pokrades nekog da li mozes ziveti u takvom drustvu a da te ono cini potpuno tupim na to.
Da ne osecas apsolutno nikakvu krivicu za to pocinjeno delo (Uzimam u obzir da je to ucinjeno bez nekih dubljih motiva ...osveta, siromastvo...)?
Mislim ne bi da sugerisem odgovor ali mene bi pekla savest :?
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Postod Northwind u Uto Maj 03, 2005 4:11 pm

Pa šta ćeš subjektivnije od savesti.
Pekla bi te "savest", zato što to što si uradio (potencijalno ubio nekog), nije u skladu sa tvojim, pa da se pompeznije izrazim, moralnim principima.
Naime od malih nogu si učen da to nije dobro, takva su shvatanja društva, i naravno da kad si kljukan non stop jedm idejom od rođenja, osetićeš nelagodnost ako postupiš suprotno njoj. Ljudi koji su ti bili uzori, kad si obrazovao svoju ličnost, shvatali su npr ubistvo kao nešto loše, i jednostavno to si pokupio od njih, a može se čak i govoriti o strahu (šta ako onda mene neko ubije).
Ne verujem da ljudožderska plemena imaju grižu savesti pred svaki odrok. :D
Ne znam jel ima subjektivnije od ovog.
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My guide the morning star
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 Sail away where the wind blows sweet and young birds fly
Take a sister by her hand
Lead her far from this barren land
Horror grips us as we watch you die
All we can do is echo your anguished cry and
Stare as all you human feelings die
We are leaving
You don't need us

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Postod russ66 u Uto Maj 03, 2005 5:09 pm

Dobro nemoze postojati bez zla.
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Postod Duffman u Uto Maj 03, 2005 6:53 pm

Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment - Isador the Librarian -Warhammer 40k
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Postod Northwind u Sre Maj 04, 2005 12:03 am

My light shall be the moon
 and my path - the ocean.
My guide the morning star
 as I sail home to you.


 Sail away where the wind blows sweet and young birds fly
Take a sister by her hand
Lead her far from this barren land
Horror grips us as we watch you die
All we can do is echo your anguished cry and
Stare as all you human feelings die
We are leaving
You don't need us

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Postod Urganda la Desconocida u Čet Maj 05, 2005 9:25 am

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Postod Fulkaneli u Čet Maj 05, 2005 9:31 am

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Postod russ66 u Pet Maj 06, 2005 6:25 pm

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Postod Elf Mage u Pet Maj 06, 2005 7:32 pm

Da ne postoji zlo,mislim da bi se oni dobri smorili.Zamislite da je sve dobro(Da li je neko gledao mozda Cari,pa ako niste objasnicu:ako ti zvoni mobilni u bioskopu,a oni ti odseku ruku,to je uredu jer si trebao da ga ugasis ili neko kine,a ti mu ne kazes nazdravlje,a oni ti izvade zub), a da je sve zlo obratno.Zato mislim da bi sve trebalo da bude u ravnotezi.Da svaki covek ima toliko dobro koliko i zla.Kao sto je rekao Isus"Ko nije gresan neka prvi baci kamen''.Zato je za svet najbolje da bude u ravnotezi.Mislim da je jing jang najbolji znak koji to moze prikazati.
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Postod Fulkaneli u Pet Maj 06, 2005 8:07 pm

To russ66:To je tačno, mogu oba postojati,i dobro bez zla, i zlo bez dobrog, samo što je mnogo lakše realizovati ovo drugo.
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Postod TOR u Pet Maj 06, 2005 10:33 pm

Da ne postoji zlo ne bi postojalo ni dobro jer ne bi bilo potrebe za njim. Dobro egzistira kao suprotnost zlu, a zlo kao ssuprotnost dobru. Kada bi se narusila harmonija dobra i zla mozda bi to dovelo do zaboravljanja jednog od ta dva i onda ne bi bilo potrebe za izdvajanjem onoga sto jedino postoji.

Dok god postoji razlika izmedju ta dva pojma ma kako ih imenovali i oni ce postojati. Cim ta barijera nestane i oni se sjedine nestace potrebe za imenovanjem istih i polako prestacemo da mu pridajemo znacaj, a tada ce nestati, jer je to u stvari sve samo jedna od nasih vizija i nista vise.
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Postod Ha Lyl u Pet Maj 06, 2005 10:50 pm

ali ja imam utisak da danas dominira zlo...
i to u velikoj meri...u stvari ne samo danas, vec kroz celu istoriju civilizacije...
ne znam ko to rece (neko od elfova...negde)...od ljudi mozes ocekivati ono najlepse i ono najgore...e to je fora, s tim da ovi drugi dominiraju, valjda jer su zli :D
i jednostavno, Tvorac (bio on Bog, Majka priroda ili whatever...) je samo tvorac...dakle stvorio je svet i otisao, u fazonu, evo na, igrajte se! sto je prouzrokovalo da ljudi, kao najsavrsenija bica, zavladaju svetom i podcine ga sebi...
tako da naravno da postoje oba pojma, ali cini mi se da je ipak zlo daleko snaznije i upornije...
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