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Nuznost...

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Nuznost...

Postod S u Čet Apr 20, 2006 5:45 pm

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Postod Dain u Čet Apr 20, 2006 8:50 pm

Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.

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Postod dkdnt u Čet Apr 20, 2006 10:03 pm

potpuno se slazem sa chuck norisom. da. moram zar ne?


hm, pazi S, ako kazes da smrt nije nuzna, tacnije da postoji, makar i zamishljena besmrtnost, onda to tu besmrtnost cini nuznom.
stoga eto, pukom logikom recicemo da postoji nuznost, ili da nesto nuzno i nepromenljivo postoji.
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Postod Dain u Čet Apr 20, 2006 10:30 pm

Ok, izgleda da cje morati da preformulishe pitanje. :)
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Postod S u Sre Apr 26, 2006 10:46 am

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Postod S u Čet Apr 27, 2006 3:20 pm

Kontingentno (L. contingens - slucajan), Kontingent, Contingent. Ono sto ne postoji nuzno, sto moze biti drukcije nego sto jeste; sto nije nicim odredjeno, npr. buduci dogadjaj koji zavisi od nase volje

Izvor: Recnik Filozofije - Svetislav Maric

Eto znacenje rijeci, u filozofskom smislu svakako, a ovaj forum je posvecen filozofiji... i da ne bi govorim svaki put "ono sto ne postoji nuzno" ja kazem kontingentno, mada ne volim da koristim takve rijeci, pogotovo ne toliko puta...
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Postod deedee u Pet Apr 28, 2006 10:37 am

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Postod S u Pet Apr 28, 2006 2:58 pm

Pa to je samo prvo pitanje... a znamo da ima neceg nuznog... ako bi prisli esencijalizmu prihvatili bi da je sve nuzno, sto se meni iskreno veoma svidja...

Jer iz gomile kontingentnih stvari nije moguce da sve ovako nastane... to je moje misljenje... ako je sve slucajno, zasto ista postoji? da li postoji makar nesto nuzno a da to nisu neki zakoni... nuzno je da trougao ima 3 ugla... i nikako ne moze drukcije biti...
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Re: Nuznost...

Postod мрачни лорд u Pon Mar 24, 2008 4:08 pm

па,философска питања су увек занимљива и терају на већу употребу мозга,што ви људи ретко чините.
нужност.све у материјалном свету је нужно,ама баш све.да би почео о нечему мислити мора се најпре десити одређена реакција у твоме мозгу,да би исказао ту мисао мораш се покретати и мислити на то...
душа није бесмртна,јер би у случају да је бесмртна имала неки божански принцип у себи,самим тиме и живот у телу би постао бесмислен,но нико не може рећи како се душа после смрти тела може остварити,хоће ли тада бити само аветиња или ...
и не постоје случајности.
замисли да у овом тренутку можеш урадити 10 000 ствари истовремено.то је 10 000 путева,могућности,ја знам да ти можеш урадити само нешто од тога,али не знам шта.тиме ја видим 10 000 различитих будућности које би могле да се десе,али не и саму будућност која ће се десити.
covjece,pazi da ne ides malen ispod zvijezda!
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Re: Nuznost...

Postod Urtel u Pet Mar 28, 2008 1:58 pm

Mislim da bi mnogo lakse pitanje bilo da li uopste postoji slucajnost?
(ili sam ja debelo promasio temu :)

no svejedno i ako jesam da dam moj skromni doprinos , ja se u principu slazem sa dainovom teorijom da je sve nuzno i posledica nekog zakona(nuznosti) koji mi nismo otkrili ili zbog prevelike kolicine varijabli nismo u stanju da obuhvatimo ali kada podignemo pricu na malo veci nivo nastaju problemi u logici ...bar za mene...

Npr od momenta big bena pa do danas i do ko zna kad ( kraja univerzuma kao vremena i prostora kakve mi poznajemo) sve ide po nekim zakonima jelte, ok, ali sta je bilo pre?
Dje je pocetak, da bi se sve razvijalo po nekim zakonima onda mora biti pocetak ( zakoni inpliciraju da postoji predhodni uzrok za trenutno stanje -ps ovo netreba shvatiti kao timeline nego kao uzrocno posledicno stanje tj nuznost da s nesto desi zato sto se nesto drugo desilo/desava )
Varijanta 1 postoji pocetak odvijanja stvari po nekim zakonima onda se postavlja problematicno pitanje a sta je bilo pre? sa stanovista ove varijate pre nije moglo da bude po nuznosti jer onda pocetak nije pocetak...shto znaci pocetak je u slucajnosti :)
Varijanta 2 nema pocetka kako moze da postoji nuznost u sistemu koji nema pocetka ?
nemam pocetne varijante da izracuna sledecu vrednost ( da uprostim algoritam :))...
e sad ova varijanta ne necka sistem nuznosti ali necka nasu(bilo ciju) mogucnost da izracuna shta je sledece nuzno jer u beskonacnom pocetku kojeg nije bilo :) uvjek postoji bar jos jedna promenjiva koja je izvan dohvata onoga ko racuna te on nemoze reci da je nesto nuzno jer mu je uvjek najmanje jena promenjiva izvan opsega ( slucajna :)

Napomena: "ko racuna" nije bice nego recimo samo po sebi sistem nuznosti ali ni taj sistem nemoze da izracuna sopstveno sledece stanje ako nema sve parametre od pocetka a nemoze imati sve parametre jer pocetka nema!
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