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Postod Dain u Čet Mar 29, 2007 5:58 pm

Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.

"Did the Lord said that Machines ought'a take the place of Livin'
and what's the supstitute for bread and beans?
Do engines get rewarded for their steam?"
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Postod NothingMan u Čet Mar 29, 2007 6:06 pm

Noću sigurno sanjaš i zato stalno spavaš,
Ali život je ugrožen sa svih strana.
Panduri i doušnici su svuda.
U bistroima, devojke tvojih godina
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Postod dkdnt u Čet Mar 29, 2007 6:13 pm

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Postod Dain u Čet Mar 29, 2007 6:28 pm

Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.

"Did the Lord said that Machines ought'a take the place of Livin'
and what's the supstitute for bread and beans?
Do engines get rewarded for their steam?"
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Postod NothingMan u Čet Mar 29, 2007 7:00 pm

Noću sigurno sanjaš i zato stalno spavaš,
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U bistroima, devojke tvojih godina
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Postod dkdnt u Čet Mar 29, 2007 7:03 pm

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Postod Maglor the Minstrel u Čet Mar 29, 2007 11:31 pm

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Postod deedee u Pet Mar 30, 2007 6:21 am

God may have created man before woman,
but there is always a rough draft
before the masterpiece.
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Postod Sherif Gile u Pet Mar 30, 2007 3:56 pm

Svi vi koji hoćete da menjate ljude oko sebe uzmite gibanj od kamiona i tek kad budete naučili kako da ga ispravite pokušajte da ispravljate ljude

fotke što sam uslikao http://www.myspace.com/gile_sherif
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Postod NothingMan u Pet Mar 30, 2007 4:05 pm

Noću sigurno sanjaš i zato stalno spavaš,
Ali život je ugrožen sa svih strana.
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U bistroima, devojke tvojih godina
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Postod Dain u Pon Apr 02, 2007 12:48 am

Oko poslednje konstatacije se potpuno slazhem. Nazhalost izgleda da ljudska rasa ima neku vrstu ugradjene arogancije i prezira prema prirodi koja nas i tera da radimo ono shto radimo.

Ali, ipak moram i da primetim da je chovek danas nezavisniji od prirode nego shto je ikad bio (dal je to dobro ili ne, je druga diskusija) a to mu je omogucjeno samo i iskljuchivo razvojem mozga. Opet, tog razvoja mozga ne bi bilo da nije bilo radoznalosti i zhelje za daljim i daljim saznanjima.
Tako da imamo paradoksalnu situaciju da nas je Priroda bacila u evolucionu vatru bez ochnjaka, krila, kandzhi ili chega sve ne, sem nasheg malo vecjeg mozga, a sad odjednom imamo sluchaj da je samo postojanje svega na Zemlji zavisi od volje Choveka. Odnosno, Priroda je iznedrila seme (mozhda) sopstvenog unishtenja.

@Sherif Gile: A zashto se ljudi penju na Mt.Everest? Zato da vide dal mogu. Tako nekako ide i sa naukom, Maglor je lepo objasnio (mada ja iskreno mislim da kod dosta nauchnika ima bar jedno 50 do vishe posto egocentrizma :feler:). Ima da prodje josh dooosta vremena dok kloniranje udje u komercijalne vode.

@NothingMan: Zashto mislish da je neophodan Frankenshtajn scenario? Mislim, ok, raspravljamo se ovde neko vreme, al nikako da iznesesh neki objektivan dokaz protiv kloniranja. Sve mi se chini da se oslanjash na neki svoj "gut feeling". :?
Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.

"Did the Lord said that Machines ought'a take the place of Livin'
and what's the supstitute for bread and beans?
Do engines get rewarded for their steam?"
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Postod Sherif Gile u Pon Apr 02, 2007 11:28 am

Svi vi koji hoćete da menjate ljude oko sebe uzmite gibanj od kamiona i tek kad budete naučili kako da ga ispravite pokušajte da ispravljate ljude

fotke što sam uslikao http://www.myspace.com/gile_sherif
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Postod NothingMan u Pon Apr 02, 2007 1:03 pm

Noću sigurno sanjaš i zato stalno spavaš,
Ali život je ugrožen sa svih strana.
Panduri i doušnici su svuda.
U bistroima, devojke tvojih godina
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Postod Conius Schischkabab u Pon Apr 02, 2007 2:54 pm

Civilizacija je način pribavljanja i raspodele govedine, žita i vina.
Religija je način odnosa sa natprirodnim.
Umetnost je način oblikovanje sveta u lepšu stvarnost
Kultura je način integracije svega toga u jednu celinu.
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Postod Dain u Pon Apr 02, 2007 6:43 pm

Shto se tiche teze da je zigot=chovek, to je apsolutno neprihvatljivo da ne kazhem neku jachu rech. A mislim da i ti to dobro znash.
Shta znachi rechenica "ja sam postao bubreg" uopshte? :mrgreen: Nemoj mi recji da postoji lichnost dok si u formi konglomerata neizdiferenciranih cjelija. Zigot je ljudsko bicje taman tolko koliko je i kancer.
Malo ti je kilav argument, dajder neki bolji. :mrgreen: Al po mogucjstvu da se ne zasniva na religiji, jer onda nema shta da se pricha.
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