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Postod Dain u Pet Dec 12, 2003 4:31 am

Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.

"Did the Lord said that Machines ought'a take the place of Livin'
and what's the supstitute for bread and beans?
Do engines get rewarded for their steam?"
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Postod Eladan u Pet Dec 12, 2003 8:59 am

Šta tu ima da se ne razume, cepidlako jedna. K'o da ovde mnogo njih razlikuje Turninga i Turinga :P
...To stand against the Shadow so long as iron is hard and stone abides. To defend the weak while one drop of blood remains. To avenge what cannot be defended...
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Postod Altaon u Pet Dec 12, 2003 3:14 pm

O hajde! Poruku sam postavio u trenutku duboke psihicke rastrojenosti, imajte malo milosti.Lapsus ko' lapsus Elem problem kineske sobe je napravljen da pobije test Alena (molim boga da sam potrefio ime inace sam mrtav) TURINGA. Inace test proglasava dati program inteligentnim kada skup sudija ne moze da razlikuje program od ljudske osobe.(U pojednostavljenom obliku) E sada ta kineska soba pokazuje kako prateci neki ogroman algoritam masina moze da proizvede mimikriju ljudske inteligencije bez ikakve sustinske samosvetnosti.
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Ali bio sam u gradu koliko juce... Posetio sam biblioteku i knjizaru :D . Ozbiljno zasto takav komentar, Daine?
God is Real unless declared integer.
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Postod Tullamore u Pet Dec 12, 2003 4:52 pm

Oblačić

Oblačići nebom plove sanjivi,
kukuruzi već se beru na njivi,
na put spremna roda s`krova klepeće,
gledajte me kada dodje proleće.


O i da ne zaboravim...
Kumulusi su moji omiljeni oblaci. :D
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Postod Urtel u Pet Dec 12, 2003 11:27 pm

Altaon dobra poenta kako bi smo uopste prepoznali inteligenciju? - fino

mada primjer nije neki jer bi odgovore dobivali po sablonu iz datog upustva te bi relaivno brzo trebali skontati sablon koji masina koristi, a takodje posotji i problem pitanja kojeg nema u upustvu? sta bi onda uradila inteligencija a sta masina koja je dobila nesto na sto nema spremljen odgovor...

u prvom slucaju bi trebalo da dobijemo odgovor koji masina sacinjava na osnovu svog "iskustva", a u drugom ERROR #5324 :)
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Postod KintemU u Sub Dec 13, 2003 4:11 am

<- KintemU ->
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Postod Dain u Ned Dec 14, 2003 2:54 pm

Izvini, Altaone za komentar, jer ako si ti bio rastrojen, ja sam garant bio pijan... :) eto...

A za Turinga ne brini, nego je lepo da ljudi znaju da ne brkaju... postoji i ona glupava Turingova mashina, tj neki sistem za logichko predstavljanje problema i odluchivanje preko heuristika i tako ta govna :):):)
Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.

"Did the Lord said that Machines ought'a take the place of Livin'
and what's the supstitute for bread and beans?
Do engines get rewarded for their steam?"
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Postod Tullamore u Pon Dec 15, 2003 10:42 am

Oblačić

Oblačići nebom plove sanjivi,
kukuruzi već se beru na njivi,
na put spremna roda s`krova klepeće,
gledajte me kada dodje proleće.


O i da ne zaboravim...
Kumulusi su moji omiljeni oblaci. :D
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Postod Altaon u Pon Dec 15, 2003 8:46 pm

God is Real unless declared integer.
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Postod Tullamore u Uto Dec 16, 2003 9:26 am

Ako bi postojao AI,to bi znacilo da masina koja ima svoju licnost ,slusala samo ono sto joj se svidja....
Ili sto bi joj lobotomijom unapred odredili...
Oblačić

Oblačići nebom plove sanjivi,
kukuruzi već se beru na njivi,
na put spremna roda s`krova klepeće,
gledajte me kada dodje proleće.


O i da ne zaboravim...
Kumulusi su moji omiljeni oblaci. :D
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Postod Eladan u Uto Dec 16, 2003 10:15 am

Altaone, odgovori na tvoja pitanja u 2. stavci su uglavnom negativni (a i ti to znaš). AI će možda imati IQ approx. 50000, ali će mu ljudska duša i ingenioznost ostati nedostižne (i Data divno slika, ali šta i kako, to je pravo pitanje)
...To stand against the Shadow so long as iron is hard and stone abides. To defend the weak while one drop of blood remains. To avenge what cannot be defended...
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Postod Altaon u Uto Dec 16, 2003 10:56 pm

God is Real unless declared integer.
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Postod Dain u Sre Dec 17, 2003 1:50 am

Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.

"Did the Lord said that Machines ought'a take the place of Livin'
and what's the supstitute for bread and beans?
Do engines get rewarded for their steam?"
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Postod Eladan u Čet Dec 18, 2003 8:13 am

Hvala, uvaženi kolega, na vrlo sažetom a opet prilično preglednom objašnjenju koje ste dali. Inače, ne smatram da je nemoguće da AI sanjaju, samo što će se ti snovi kvalitativno i fiziološki razlikovati od naših. San je stanje podsvesti, a ako AI zadobije svest, verovatno će imati i neki podnivo koji bi se mogao okarakterisati kao stanje snova. Samo, biće pitanje koji će ga podsticaj izazivati
...To stand against the Shadow so long as iron is hard and stone abides. To defend the weak while one drop of blood remains. To avenge what cannot be defended...
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Postod Dain u Čet Dec 18, 2003 5:05 pm

Willing is not enough, we must do. Knowing is not enough, we must apply.

"Did the Lord said that Machines ought'a take the place of Livin'
and what's the supstitute for bread and beans?
Do engines get rewarded for their steam?"
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