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Postod Gondor lady u Pet Mar 30, 2007 11:28 am

A izvini, ako gledamo strip, ima i previše stvari za zameranje. Ali film samo kao ekranizacija tog stripa je po meni dobar. Ono što nije tačno u samom stripu i što može samo da zbuni običnog gledaoca(koj ionako misli da su u pitanju Trojanci a ne Spartanci), zaista ne znam zašto je urađeno tako... tj. mislim da bi strip bio dovoljno interesantan da nema tih nekih dodataka, i promena. A da je napravljen film po "Ognjenoj kapiji" tek bi onda bilo zanimljivo. No, film je po stripu...jbg.

A dkdnt->
1- Zašto misliš da Spartanci nisu bili duhoviti?! Nije sad da ja tačno znam, ali više sam naklonjena mišlju da jesu.
2- Da, persijski vladari nisu bili džinovi, ali narodi na istoku su valjda u globalu bili viši od zapadnjaka...
3- Ne većinski, ali bilo ih je
4- Nisam to ni rekla, nego da te neke lakonske rečenice koje su nam zaista ostale od njih nisu dovoljno jake u filmu. A ona sa štitom datira mnooogo pre Leonide
10- Atinjani nisu bili pedofili...mhm...to je jedna duga priča. možda nisu bili pedofili u današnjem smislu reči, ali kod njih je "normalno" bilo da zreo čovek ima svog ljubljenog, koji je obično bio mnogo mlađi od njega. Samo je Platonova "Gozba" dovoljan primer.
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Postod Egon Zmaj u Pet Mar 30, 2007 2:39 pm

U njemu je svuda rasuta duša,
po celom svetu deca i ljudi,
a grad iznad reka stoji ko kruna,
danju me veže, noću me budi.
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Postod Earvena u Pet Mar 30, 2007 5:45 pm

"I hate the way you talk to me,and the way you cut your hair,
I hate the way you drive my car, I hate it when you stare,
I hate your big dumb combat boots, and the way you read my mind,
I hate you so much it makes me sick it even makes me rhyme
I hate the way you`re always right, I hate it when you lie,
I hate you when you make me laugh,even worse when you make me cry
I hate it that you`re not around,and the fact you didn`t call,
but mostly i hate the way I don`t hate you
...not even close
...not even a little bit
...not even at all.."
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Postod Dragon Reborn u Pet Mar 30, 2007 6:04 pm

I bought a house, it's a 2-bedroom house. But I think it's up to me how many bedrooms there are, don't you? Fuck you real estate lady, this bedroom has an oven in it! This bedroom has a lot of people sitting around watching TV. This bedroom's over in that guy's house.
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Postod Gondor lady u Pet Mar 30, 2007 6:27 pm

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Postod Pauleta u Pet Mar 30, 2007 7:06 pm

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Postod BEAST u Pet Mar 30, 2007 8:33 pm

[align=center]Industrial music for industrial people![/align]
[scroll]I am one of the injured~A tear blurs flesh~Dissolving~Like an injured dog~Like wasted limbs~Get smaller~Pain is the stimulus of pain~But then of course nothing is cured~This is the world now~Move a fin and the world turns~Sit in a chair and pictures change~Try to eat us~And get trapped~Or injured~Just[/scroll]

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Postod Billy Chenowith u Pet Mar 30, 2007 11:10 pm

heh vau, rasprava bukti oko spartanaca sa svih strana :D

Ajd da probamo da sumiramo/razgranicimo bar neke... Frenk Miler je sam strip zamislio kao ultra/hiper stilizovan prikaz istorijske bitke. Dakle, akcenat nije bio ni priblizno na edukaciji citalaca, sto ionako nije neka namera koja se cesto srece u stripu. Zapravo, Frenk Miler je prvi put video o cemu se tu radilo gledajuci film 300 Spartanaca iz 60ih, te je bio fasciniran njihovom hrabroscu pred neuporedivo jacim neprijateljem. Inace, covek jedva da je zavrsio i osnovnu skolu, sto ne kazem kao zamerku, nego jednostavno nije preterano upucen u istoriju. S druge strane takav zivot `na margini` je svakako stvorio od njega osobu koja moze tako idealno da opise svet u kome se odigrava npr. Sin City...

Svaki prikaz odnosa Spartanaca i Persijanaca je u osnovi metafora za sukob dobrog i loseg, pravednog i tiranina, nejakog i obesnog. Iz tog razloga je to u stripu tako jasno naglaseno - mali Leonida protiv ogromnog Kserksa, mala vojska i ogromna armija, mali ljudi protiv dzinova.
Kako je strip znatno slobodniji vid izrazavanja od filma, u mnogo manjoj meri opterecen budzetima, marketinskim ugovorima i slicnom papirologijom, on je mogao dati sebi slobodu da prikaze ono sto zeli na bilo koji njemu odgovarajuci nacin. Velicanje ljudskih vrlina, sloge i hrabrosti, ide dotle da i najveci protivnik moze biti porazen ukoliko ne postoji zloba u ljudima - takodje prenaglaseno oslikana u liku nakaznog Efialtesa.
Traziti u takvom delu konkretne istorijske cinjenice i realizam iz udzbenika je apsurdno.
F. Miler je dosta konzervativnih i moze se reci tradicionalistickih shvatanja sto se tice nekih ljudskih vrednosti, sto ga opet vodi ka nekoj malo radikalnijoj strani - konkretno mislim na kasnija dela i preterano izrazeni patriotizam, ali ajd necu sad i o tome da razglabam. Ipak je covek napisao neka zlata vredna dela koja su u ogromnoj meri uticala na razvoj stripa uopste.

E sad, s obzirom da ce ovde ispasti da ja branim film koji mi se zapravo ne dopada, zamerke su mi iskljucivo iz razloga KAKO je to sve preneseno na platno.
Strip od jednog trejda, ciji se dijalozi zasnivaju u najvecoj meri na one-linerima, i cijem dodatnom kvalitetu u velikoj meri doprinosi i odlican crtez nije nesto sto bi se moglo nazvati filmicnim. Za VELIKU razliku od Sin City-ja, gde je upravo strip zasnovan na filmskoj estetici. Ali i tu vec mozemo doci do licnih ukusa, jer ako podjem od sebe, mnogim filmovima cu dati bezrezervni kredit ako vizuelni kvalitet popunjava neke druge rupe. Kod 300, taj vizuelni izraz me udaljava od filma, ne uvlaci u njega, ne stvara mi atmosferu koja ce da izaziva neke reakcije, vec cini da samo pasivno posmatram jedan predugacki spot.
Zanima me kako bi npr. Toni Skot odradio isti pristup.

i ne mogu nikako da se slozim sa dkdnt-om da se sad snimaju filmovi samo po kretenskim stripovima, ipak su npr. V for Vendetta i Liga dzentlmena medju najboljim A.Murovim radovima, Betmen i Spajdermen su klasici, kao i ovi savremeniji tipa Sin City, Hellboy...

Druga stvar je sto po meni samo Tim Bartonovi Betmeni, Sin City, Hellboy, i donekle Nolanov Betmen imaju kvalitet i u filmskoj izvedbi.
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Postod GreyWolf u Sub Mar 31, 2007 8:01 am

What is steel compared to the hand that wields it?
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Postod dkdnt u Sub Mar 31, 2007 8:42 am

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Postod Earvena u Sub Mar 31, 2007 9:09 am

"I hate the way you talk to me,and the way you cut your hair,
I hate the way you drive my car, I hate it when you stare,
I hate your big dumb combat boots, and the way you read my mind,
I hate you so much it makes me sick it even makes me rhyme
I hate the way you`re always right, I hate it when you lie,
I hate you when you make me laugh,even worse when you make me cry
I hate it that you`re not around,and the fact you didn`t call,
but mostly i hate the way I don`t hate you
...not even close
...not even a little bit
...not even at all.."
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Postod Earvena u Sub Mar 31, 2007 9:11 am

"I hate the way you talk to me,and the way you cut your hair,
I hate the way you drive my car, I hate it when you stare,
I hate your big dumb combat boots, and the way you read my mind,
I hate you so much it makes me sick it even makes me rhyme
I hate the way you`re always right, I hate it when you lie,
I hate you when you make me laugh,even worse when you make me cry
I hate it that you`re not around,and the fact you didn`t call,
but mostly i hate the way I don`t hate you
...not even close
...not even a little bit
...not even at all.."
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Postod dkdnt u Sub Mar 31, 2007 9:26 am

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Postod lightmath u Sub Mar 31, 2007 9:36 am

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