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Postod Niena u Sub Apr 03, 2004 8:36 pm

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Postod Finglofin u Sub Apr 03, 2004 10:13 pm

Stade sve, samo zivot prodje,
Sine, moj, oci njene plave,
Doso dan da u vojsku podjes,
Lumpuju usijane glave,
Sine moj,kako da te pustim,
Ti si sve sto mi od nje osta,
Di ces stim trepuskama gustim,
Zivot bas i ne zna sta je dosta,e

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Postod Aragorn u Pon Apr 05, 2004 8:36 am

Ja mislim da je Blah u pravu.....u WoT imamo podeljene likove po dobru i zlu,od pocetka se zna ko je Zmaj dok kod Martina se ne zna ko ce preziveti.....druzina se negde u knjizi razdvoji pa se opet pred kraj sretne.....
I ZENE PRDE !!!!
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Postod m.ACA.k u Pon Apr 05, 2004 8:40 am

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Postod Eladan u Pon Apr 05, 2004 10:11 am

Finglofine, ne budi siguran da lady Niena deli tvoje mišljenje. Inače, Martin je mnogo uverljiviji i životniji u svom svetu. Jordan možda jeste imaginativno jači, ali od imaginacije do finalizacije u njegovom slučaju puno toga škripi
...To stand against the Shadow so long as iron is hard and stone abides. To defend the weak while one drop of blood remains. To avenge what cannot be defended...
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Postod Finglofin u Pon Apr 05, 2004 1:26 pm

Ok. Utvrdili smo da jeste realniji i uverljiviji, ali upravo to je i najveca mana knjige, jer ako uverljivost i zanimljivost cine jednu knjigu vrednu paznje, onda se ovaj svet lagano krece ka propasti. Pa, ceo nas zivot je u sustini nista drugo do borba izmedju mediokriteta i izuzetnih. Borba prosecnosti i fenomena. Martin ima svojih kvaliteta ( i ja to ne sporim), ali to nisu prave vrednosti, i ja ne ocekujem da vecina shvati sta govorima ( bez uvrede), ali oni koji se bave literaturom ozbiljnije, videce na sta mislim.

Elem, SoIF ima prednosti ali samo za nesviklo oko, ako bismo dublje proucavali ova dela, WOT odnosi pobedu.

I na kraju, aspekt jednog citalaca koji zeli da se razonodi i opusti svakako mu dopusta da ocenjuje Martina visoko i ja to postujem ( npr. Blah), ali ponavljam, knjiga nije kvalitetna samo zato sto je realna...

Ako nekoga interesuje na sta sam mislio moze da procita moje uvodne postove. Ja ih nisam nastavio jer neki nisu hteli da diskutuju na tom nivo i ja to postujem.
Stade sve, samo zivot prodje,
Sine, moj, oci njene plave,
Doso dan da u vojsku podjes,
Lumpuju usijane glave,
Sine moj,kako da te pustim,
Ti si sve sto mi od nje osta,
Di ces stim trepuskama gustim,
Zivot bas i ne zna sta je dosta,e

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Postod High Duke u Čet Apr 15, 2004 12:32 am

Ajde da me razapnete na krst. Sve ovo gore receno o likovima i njihovom razvoju, emocijama, stoji osim mozda par stvari. To sto tebi Fingolfine WoT odnosi pobedu je tvoje subjektivno miljenje. Tebi jednostavno vise odgovara Jorda.
Jordan mi se svidja manje zbog sledeceg:L
1)predvidiv je
2)za moj ukus cak i previse bajkovit
3)ume da smori sa opisima, cak vise nego Martin sa hranom i sexom
4)prica je cist klise, vidjena vec gomilu puta:
jedan momak na granici decastva i zrelosti zivi u zabacenom kraju sveta, zivi obicnim mirnim zivotom i nema pojma o svetu izvan svojeg okruzenja, smatra da su sve price samo legende. ali jednog dana on vidi crnog jahaca i oseti da se nesto cudno desava i da stvari nisu kao pre. On srece jednu osobu koja mu kaze malo i vodi ga sa sobom. taj susret mu u potpunosti menja zivot. On uskoro otkriva da ima veliku moc u sebi i da je on taj jedini odabrani koji moze da spase svet i unisti mracnoga gospodara.

zamerke Martinu
1)atosfera zavisi od lika, pa je mozda mogao bolje da resi problem dosade koji se penekad pojavi kada opisuje neku relativno beznacajnu radnju.
2)u trecoj knjizi je preterao sa sexom
3)mozda je mogao da ubaci malo vise magija al ajde sada to i nije tako strasno

U svakom slucaju se slazem sa Eladanom, Martin jeste bolji pisac ali kao sto vec rekoh to je vise stvar licnog izbora.
Let your blows fall because faith is my shield and valor is my sword

A knight is sworn to valour
His hearth know only virtue
His blade defends the helpless
His might upholds the weak
His words speak only truth
His wrath undoes the wicked
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Postod Aducabar u Pet Apr 16, 2004 12:27 pm


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Postod Blah u Sre Apr 21, 2004 2:01 am

If and when and might be.
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Postod Blah u Sre Apr 21, 2004 2:16 am

If and when and might be.
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Postod vrana u Sre Apr 21, 2004 2:06 pm

It Pisses Me Off When I See Weaklings. I Feel Like I Wanna Crush Them!
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Postod Muffin u Sre Apr 21, 2004 2:30 pm

No hope
The blind leads the blind
Carry on
Though future's denied
Mare or stallion
There's far more inside
We are in at the kill
We'll cheerfully die
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Postod Blah u Čet Apr 22, 2004 12:13 am

If and when and might be.
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Postod Blah u Čet Apr 22, 2004 12:16 am

If and when and might be.
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Postod Finglofin u Čet Apr 22, 2004 1:34 pm

Stade sve, samo zivot prodje,
Sine, moj, oci njene plave,
Doso dan da u vojsku podjes,
Lumpuju usijane glave,
Sine moj,kako da te pustim,
Ti si sve sto mi od nje osta,
Di ces stim trepuskama gustim,
Zivot bas i ne zna sta je dosta,e

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