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Pretpostavke u Pesmi leda i vatre - vol.2 (SPOILERS!)

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Postod Daemon Blackfyre u Sre Maj 09, 2007 3:30 pm

radi aduov gif, ie7 barem
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Postod Telcontar Elessar u Sre Maj 09, 2007 7:41 pm

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Welcome to my hell on earth
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Postod Egon Zmaj u Sre Maj 09, 2007 8:29 pm

U njemu je svuda rasuta duša,
po celom svetu deca i ljudi,
a grad iznad reka stoji ko kruna,
danju me veže, noću me budi.
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Postod Gorbash u Sre Maj 09, 2007 8:44 pm

Common sense is not so common.
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 Re: Pretpostavke u Pesmi leda i vatre - vol.2 (SPOILERS!)

Postod Margiloth u Sre Maj 09, 2007 8:47 pm

E, svašta, u pitanju je jedna od najjačih referenci na at least R+L (i možda, konsekventno, J) /mada dosta govori i o N+A/

I posle se neki deru kako nam Martin na tacni servira Regara i Lijenu kao Džonove roditelje, a očigledno je da se mnogi ni ne sećaju kada i gde je on to tako čvrsto potvrdio tu teoriju. Ako ćemo realno, na osnovu frekvencije spominjanja, veza Regara i Lijene je jednako verovatna kao i veza Neda i Ashare. I, šta ćemo sad?

Jeste, Lijena je kukala da joj Ned obeća, ali...

Moram da kažem da ja od maltene prvih poglavlja serijala imam jak osećaj da će se Džon i Deni spanđati, najviše zbog toga jer su istog senzibiliteta (i naravno, tako jebozovni), ali ne znam da li bih to gledala sa tolikim odobravanjem ako bi se ispostavilo da su tetka i bratanac. Istina je da Martin baš i nema granica, ali se nadam da će ih ovde postaviti, koliko god delovalo sapunasto. Možda i neće, i u tom slučaju ćemo imati završetak nalik onome u Sto godina samoće, GG Markesa:
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Tetka i bratanac se spanđaju, dobiju dete sa svinjskim repom, i ceo svet ode dođavola i sam se u sebe uruši[/spoil]

Telcontare, svaka ti je uvek na mestu i [spoil]svaka ti se uvek dala :D[/spoil] Respect.
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 Re: Pretpostavke u Pesmi leda i vatre - vol.2 (SPOILERS!)

Postod Margiloth u Sre Maj 09, 2007 9:02 pm

"Will fate seduce you to her will?
Not if you struggle with all your Skill.
Summon your allies, locate the trained,
Consummate all from what you’ve refrained.
There’s a future not yet fashioned,
Founded by your fiery passions!"
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Postod $ock Puppet u Čet Maj 10, 2007 2:45 am

Pa ne znam, i Deni i Jon su za sada manje-više bili nošeni događajima. Jesu oni imali udela u tim događajima, ali u velikoj meri su se samo zatekli tu gde jesu. Da Ilirio nije poklonio jaja, da gavran nije namestio izbore za Lord Commander-a, itede.

Možda se upravo u tome oslikava njihova predodređenost, nisam siguran, ali očekujem da "kad porastu" demonstriraju (više) volju, tj. assertiveness, a ne pasivno da budu The Chosen One, Harry Potter, i sl.

BTW, Azor Ahai priču ne treba shvatati bukvalno. Da li je on stvarno ubio svoju ženu da bi prekovao Lightbringera (ili kako već, ipak je 3:40 AM) nije ni bitno, poenta je samo u ideji žrtve, a sumnjam da će J. & D. ikad imati pred sobom takve jasne izbore tipa "ili sad ovo uradim, ili propade svet". (Dakle, verovatno ih nije imao ni "pravi" A.A., u mitu je to pojednostavljeno.)
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Postod Nemini u Čet Maj 10, 2007 9:07 am

severe and puritanical
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 Re: Pretpostavke u Pesmi leda i vatre - vol.2 (SPOILERS!)

Postod $ock Puppet u Čet Maj 10, 2007 8:03 pm

Pa Murkok je štonokažu a bitter old bastard, kao Matori Frey :) Valjda je to bio i pre tih par decenija kad je pisao esej.

Za zapisnik - nemam preterano mnogo lepih reči za Murkokov magnum opus, sagu o Elriku, ali to nema veze, ipak je kompetentan da oplete po tolkinistima. Voleo bih da znam šta misli o SoI&F...

Edit: Ne samo što nemam pojma šta je vagnerizam (šokantno, znam), nemam pojma ni ko je to "Quibble" :P
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Postod Telcontar Elessar u Čet Maj 10, 2007 10:24 pm

Pazi nije poenta da li je nekog zrtvovala svesno ili nesvesno.. 3 Zivota ljudi, za 3 zivota zmajeva. Mislim manje vishe, radjanje zmajeva se posmatra kao magija zar ne ? Kako da se izrazim... magiju ne interesuje ko, zashto i kako je zrtvovan, poenta je 3 zivota za 3 zivota.

Druga mnogo bitnija stvar, Azor Ahai je davna legenda, i kao i svaka legenda, od originalne je verovatno izmenjana vishe puta nego biblija. Znaci da realno niko ne zna sta, kad i kako ce zapravo da predstavlja Azor Ahai. Prva je Melisandra pogreshno protumacila legendu i umislila da je Stanis Azor Ahai.

I naravno da ne bi menjala svoje dete za zmajeve, u tome i jeste velicina te zrtve. Drugo ne znam koliko je to vazno, i tacno, ali Rego je bio predodredjen da postane "pastuv koji ce zajahati svet", tako da sa te strane to i nije tek obicna zrtva...i to moze biti jedan od pogleda na stvari (koji se meni i ne dopada previshe, al pade mi i to na pamet dok sam kucao ).

Hmmm josh sam neshto hteo. A da, mislim da je mnogo bitnije od ptianja da li ce se Jon i Deny smuvati, pitanje da li je Jon sin Rhaegara i Lijene, kao sto mislim da jeste. Ne zaboravite, da prvo, vecina citalaca koji citaju knjigu, i ne posecuju forume na netu, a realno takvih je mozda 15-20%, ni na pamet im ne padne ta teorija, jer ne citaju svi knjige sa toliko obracanja paznje na detalje. Ja prvi neke stvari nisam primetio, dok nisu bile spomenute na forumu (recimo da onaj Faceless lici na Dzaken-a, i tako te sitnice )

E znao sam da sam hteo da napishem josh 300 redova, al sam u medjuvremenu poceo da gledam neshto na TV i misli su mi dolutale ,tako da cu nastaviti sa svojim proser.. pametovanjem neki drugi put :mrgreen:


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Bullets fly, I pulled the trigger
Revenge is mine, sweet and bitter
Welcome to my hell on earth
this time you'll get hurt
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Postod Egon Zmaj u Pet Maj 11, 2007 11:01 am

U njemu je svuda rasuta duša,
po celom svetu deca i ljudi,
a grad iznad reka stoji ko kruna,
danju me veže, noću me budi.
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Postod Nemini u Pet Maj 11, 2007 11:59 am

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Postod igoraki u Pet Maj 11, 2007 1:24 pm

Too much is not enough
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Postod MuadDib u Pet Maj 11, 2007 1:47 pm

The spirit of Muad'Dib is more than words, more than
the letter of the Law which arises in his name. Muad'Dib
must always be that inner outrage against the complacently
powerful, against the charlatans and the dogmatic fanatics.
It is that inner outrage which must have its say because
Muad'Dib taught us one thing above all others: that
humans can endure only in a fraternity of social justice.

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